The following came from alt.irc.dalnet dated 11/29/1999 and posted by LadyMorgaine. LadyMorgaine is an IRC Operator - Server Administrator on DALnet. Please read the whole thing. Have your AOL friends complain to AOL about not handling problems with their users that are causing problems on DALnet.
I'm not so sure why you think that they operate with anyone's blessings, but let me see if I can make the issue a little muddier. Pedophile: 1. Freedom of speech, grants people the *right* to talk about anything they want. 2. DALnet won't restrict them from talking about whatever they want. 3. No one blesses them, but it's that freedom of speech thing again. 4. Picture trading is an entirely different matter. 5. DALnet works closely with law enforcement agencies to close down the picture traders at the source. 6. For every Pre teen picture channel we close, 6 more pop up right behind it. 7. It's much more effective to work with law enforcement and put these people behind bars. 8. Putting AOL abusers behind bars, is not an option. AOL ban:. 1. AOL refuses to deal with abuse complaints 2. Abuse by means of spamming, mass inviting and cloning, is not considered free speech. 3. No one blesses that either 4. This has nothing to do with picture trading of pre-teen children 5. There are no #aol-pre-teen-picture-trading channels to close 6. It *should* be much more effective to deal directly with AOL adminstrators to have accounts disabled and users warned. 7. We can't put you in jail for spamming and cloning, although, we'd like to at times. I'm not sure where everyone gets the idea that it is their God given right (sorry Susan30) to connect to DALnet, Undernet, EFnet, StarChat, ArabChat, aIRCD.net or any of the rest of them. It's not. Each of these is a private entity and can deny you or anyone else, access for any reason they choose. However, when access is denied, we all try to make sure there's a valid reason for it. Obviously, some of you have not been around DALnet as long as I have. Here's a brief history lesson, get your pens and paper out, there's going to be a test. 3 years ago, we autokilled AOL, yes all of it. Why? For the same reason that I did it 5 days ago. Who knows what happened when we did this? Anyone? (hush Watchman and Rakarra). Yes, that's right, AOL linked a server. That's where ans.* came from. What happened to ans.*? It was delinked, because the staff was non-existant, and there were some other routing and coding issues, uhm, like, they wouldn't update their IRCD and stuff. Did this help them to deal with the abuse issues then? Nope, but at the time, it placated DALnet, and everyone was happy. Linking a server again, is not my domain, however, if they do that, and still don't deal with the abuse issues, they'll get autokilled again. What?! You mean linking a server doesn't promise that your host/domain won't get akilled? Nope, not any more it doesn't. When Defiant.* was linked, it's host wouldn't deal with abuse issues either (2 years ago), and I akilled it. After the host got all done being mad, and calling me every name in the book, including clueless, they dealt with the abuse problem, and that was never repeated with them. What about *.tm.net.my you say? They have a server linked, why aren't they akilled? They got the threat of akill, the same time I sent one to *.jaring.my, trust me, *.tm.net.my knew I wasn't joking, server or no server. We have a direct contact with *.tm.net that deals with abuse complaints within 48 hours, and sends us feedback on the disposition of the complaint. Wow! I have nothing personal against AOL users, or against AOL, this has nothing to do with that. This has to do with responding to abuse complaints. This isn't a difficult concept people. If other big ISP's around the world can comply, why can't AOL? Pop Quiz! Has AOL ever been akilled before on DALnet? LM (getting out her red pen to mark the quizzes) On Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:08:41 GMT, Tiny@hotmail.com (Tiny Tim) wrote: >On 29 Nov 1999 15:46:01 GMT, sunnydale398@aol.com (SunnyDale398) >wrote: > >> >> Why is it that the entire AOL domain was banned from DALnet because of a few >>rowdy AOLers that BTW can be kicked or banned from each channel as the channel >>op sees fit YET the DALnet admins allow channels with the following names to >>operate with total impunity with their blessings???? >> >> Some of the channels found on DALnet's channel list: >> >># 0!!!!!!!Pedoparents >> >># 0!!!!!!!littleboysex >> >># 0!!!!!!!ltlgirlsexch >> >> AOL may have it's problems but you will NEVER find chat areas with names like >>this on AOL. >> >> What's the deal here? seems like SOMEBODY at DALnet needs to get their >>priorities straight here in MY opinion. > > > While not defending the actions of AOL, I myself have wondered the >very same thing about why all those pedophile channels are allowed to >operate in the open like that. > > >~Tiny